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Ares' Hot Take(s) for the 2017 QB Draft Class

By Ares
4/27/2017 9:09 am
I know most of y'all have been worrying yourselves sick this past month wondering 'What does Ares think about the 2017 NFL QB draft class prospects?!' Well, worry no more, friends, the wait is over:

https://youtu.be/Wzd_lOCv52U

Re: Ares' Hot Take(s) for the 2017 QB Draft Class

By eyeballll
4/27/2017 7:07 pm
Rocking beard!

Re: Ares' Hot Take(s) for the 2017 QB Draft Class

By Ares
4/27/2017 7:46 pm
I guess I didn't this out fast enough to keep the Bears from taking Trubisky... sigh... here's to 5 more years of being bottom dwellers in the NFC North.

Re: Ares' Hot Take(s) for the 2017 QB Draft Class

By punisher
4/27/2017 9:20 pm
Ares wrote:
I guess I didn't this out fast enough to keep the Bears from taking Trubisky... sigh... here's to 5 more years of being bottom dwellers in the NFC North.


well that didnt take long = http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/04/2017-nfl-draft-bears-49ers-trade-analysis-mitchell-trubisky

btw at least you arent a Houston Texans fan (not that i am) they could actually lose their draft pick in space supposely i think the 2nd round pick or 3rd round pick they are suppose to announce the pick so it would bring a new whole level of losing your pick in space.

3 links
1. http://m.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Andre-Johnson-NASA-to-announce-draft-picks-/1d6a42ae-6cfa-41cb-b24e-273bce287438
2. http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/texans-will-have-a-draft-pick-announced-from-outer-space/ar-BBAmuJX
3. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/04/25/texans-day-3-draft-picks-will-be-announced-from-outer-space/

Re: Ares' Hot Take(s) for the 2017 QB Draft Class

By Brrexkl
4/28/2017 1:17 am
Well, you were the first team in NFL History to give up a Draft Pick so a Team would take your QB.

Re: Ares' Hot Take(s) for the 2017 QB Draft Class

By Authorccurrier
4/28/2017 11:59 am
Brrexkl wrote:
Well, you were the first team in NFL History to give up a Draft Pick so a Team would take your QB.


Them's fightin' words!

I wish my Texans got Mahomes, who was the only QB that I had rated high enough to go in the top-20. I rated Watson from 21 to 32. The trade was a solid one, though. Watson can actually make deep throws along the sidelines, unlike Brock Osweiler, he gets better on bigger stages, unlike Brock Osweiler, and he is a super competitive leader, unlike Brock Osweiler.

Re: Ares' Hot Take(s) for the 2017 QB Draft Class

By Brrexkl
4/28/2017 1:50 pm
Authorccurrier wrote:
Brrexkl wrote:
Well, you were the first team in NFL History to give up a Draft Pick so a Team would take your QB.


Them's fightin' words!

I wish my Texans got Mahomes, who was the only QB that I had rated high enough to go in the top-20. I rated Watson from 21 to 32. The trade was a solid one, though. Watson can actually make deep throws along the sidelines, unlike Brock Osweiler, he gets better on bigger stages, unlike Brock Osweiler, and he is a super competitive leader, unlike Brock Osweiler.


It was only 24 Months ago that John Elway wanted Brock as his FQB, but you guys gave a King's Ransom to Brock to change scenery.

I think he can still be a good QB. Something is up with your HC, every QB he gets he destroys.

I'm also down on Watson as an NFL QB. AMAZING College QB, won't deny him that. 49 MPH though? I can throw a football faster than that underhand. He's going to have issues in the NFL with tighter windows. That said, he may well be another Tyrod Taylor (and I say that as a good thing).

But there's no way I Trade Up to 12 to take Tyrod Taylor, so I feel the Browns clearly Won this Trade.

Re: Ares' Hot Take(s) for the 2017 QB Draft Class

By Authorccurrier
4/28/2017 4:18 pm
Brrexkl wrote:

It was only 24 Months ago that John Elway wanted Brock as his FQB, but you guys gave a King's Ransom to Brock to change scenery.

I think he can still be a good QB. Something is up with your HC, every QB he gets he destroys.

I'm also down on Watson as an NFL QB. AMAZING College QB, won't deny him that. 49 MPH though? I can throw a football faster than that underhand. He's going to have issues in the NFL with tighter windows. That said, he may well be another Tyrod Taylor (and I say that as a good thing).

But there's no way I Trade Up to 12 to take Tyrod Taylor, so I feel the Browns clearly Won this Trade.


Oh, I know. I was one of the harshest judges of Watson, gave him a round 3 grade on one of my papers during my Scouting Analytics course. He's very inconsistent, and makes some awful decisions. He's going to have to learn working the huddle. He's going to have to learn footwork from under center. He's going to have to build up a bit on size and arm strength. I like him better than Kizer and Trubisky, though, and since SOMEONE at QB has to have round 1 grades, I recently moved Watson to the tail end of round 1 and Mahomes to the middle. I think Watson could be a bust, and none of these QBs are really first rounders. I'm not trying to make wine out of mud. Watson and Mahomes are the only ones with the intangibles that allow one to succeed as an NFL QB, though, and Mahomes has the better physical traits of the two. It takes drive, leadership, and the willingness to put in endless effort to improve as an NFL QB. That's probably why Jared Goff, someone with all the arm talent in the world, couldn't succeed in LA (when you factor out the fact that the Rams had the worst group of pass-catchers in the league, and had a bottom 2 O-line).

Bill O'Brien is the opposite of what you said. He was the Patriots' QB coach and Offensive Coordinator the year they went to Super Bowl XLVI. He won ESPN's coach of the year award in 2012 when he became Penn State's head coach and immediately brought them up to an 8-4 record. He joined the Texans in 2013. Look at what he did with Hoyer in comparison to what the Browns did with Hoyer. Look at what he did with Fitzpatrick in comparison to what the Jets did with Fitzpatrick. He's never had a QB in Houston that's been highly touted, instead dealing with other teams' rejects, scrubs, or just no-name players. Osweiler is the only player that had any sort of pedigree, and O'Brien never even met Osweiler until after Osweiler joined the team, chasing the Texans' money instead of the Broncos' championship ability, weapons, and Elway's tutelage, which to me is a red flag that Osweiler didn't really want to be good or be coached. I think Elway and Manning just made Osweiler play better than he was. He clearly doesn't care about his career. Also, it's not like O'Brien made him throw his passes out of bounds along the sideline when QBs that O'Brien has actually picked, like Hoyer, Mallett, Savage, and even Fitzpatrick have been able to make those same throws. Seriously, watching Osweiler play this last season was a headache. O'Brien didn't like Osweiler, because Osweiler didn't want to be coached by O'Brien. The Texans' Owner, Bob McNair is the one that did the Osweiler deal, and he didn't consult his coaches. He may do well in Cleveland, and I think he may have had a wake-up call and matured, but there's a reason that Elway wouldn't offer more to keep Osweiler. Savage played well, and he's ONLY been coached by O'Brien. He managed to get Fuller and Hopkins the ball, something that Osweiler couldn't do. O'Brien, aside from Osweiler, has made every QB he's had to work with better. He's had Case Keenum, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Ryan Mallett, Brian Hoyer, T.J. Yates, Brandon Weeden, Tom Savage, and Brock Osweiler to work with. All of them had been cast off by other teams or drafted as late round picks before O'Brien took over. He turned the team from 2-14 to 9-7 a winning record for three years in a row and a playoff berth for two of those years. He's never had a losing season.

Re: Ares' Hot Take(s) for the 2017 QB Draft Class

By Brrexkl
4/28/2017 4:44 pm
Hoyer with the Browns was a Top 10 QB in the first half of the Season, with over a 100 Rating.

It was after Shanny threw a hissy fit and tossed the No Huddle out of our Offense that Hoyer sunk. I completely blame Shanny for the demise of Hoyer in Cleveland.

And everyone in New England works well with QBs while in NE, it's hard not to.

But since being in Houston, O'Brien just hasn't done anything with QB. Now, all the props in the world for building a Defense that keeps carrying that team to the Play Offs, and for awhile it was a really good Running Game as well. And there's nothing wrong with that, it's the Trent Dilfer/Ravens Model, and when the right QB is found it should be amazing there.

But how many Coaches get into confrontations with their QB? I mean, seriously. Brock was never a guy trying to rough up the Staff in Denver, Bill must have seriously got under his skin.

Re: Ares' Hot Take(s) for the 2017 QB Draft Class

By Authorccurrier
4/28/2017 5:56 pm
Brrexkl wrote:
Hoyer with the Browns was a Top 10 QB in the first half of the Season, with over a 100 Rating.

It was after Shanny threw a hissy fit and tossed the No Huddle out of our Offense that Hoyer sunk. I completely blame Shanny for the demise of Hoyer in Cleveland.

And everyone in New England works well with QBs while in NE, it's hard not to.

But since being in Houston, O'Brien just hasn't done anything with QB. Now, all the props in the world for building a Defense that keeps carrying that team to the Play Offs, and for awhile it was a really good Running Game as well. And there's nothing wrong with that, it's the Trent Dilfer/Ravens Model, and when the right QB is found it should be amazing there.

But how many Coaches get into confrontations with their QB? I mean, seriously. Brock was never a guy trying to rough up the Staff in Denver, Bill must have seriously got under his skin.


I hear you. I don't think it was just Brock looking to start fights, I think it was O'Brien's fault because he was upset that McNair signed Osweiler without consulting him or Rick Smith (the only GM in the NFL that has managed to keep every 1st round pick since 2008 with his team), and Osweiler doesn't fit his system at all. He likes QBs who are tough gunslingers and willing to make big-time throws. He sort of has a reputation (both in Denver and Houston) for being a pretty boy and not wanting to get his hands dirty, and for an ethic-based QB coach in O'Brien (every QB has had to earn the right to start and remain a starter; that's why he liked Hoyer, but after the playoff game, McNair wouldn't let the team keep Hoyer) it rubber him the wrong way. O'Brien is a stubborn man, but he's also like Bruce Arians in that he doesn't bulls*** anything, and so he made it clear that he didn't approve of the expensive Osweiler signing. It escalated from there, I think. But Osweiler wasn't a good fit in Houston. Ownership tried to force it to happen by giving a mostly unproven player with an 82 career QB rating at the time $75 million, and that never works. It was a classic 1999-2014 Browns move. Osweiler may fit in Hue's system, but I think he needs to improve his release first, and that almost never happens with a tall, gangly QB like Osweiler.